Holy Shit!! With Nate & Esha
A beginners guide to spiritual awakening, the metaphysical, unconditional love and all things "whoo whoo". Told from the perspective an average dude and a majestic shaman. ;)
Holy Shit!! With Nate & Esha
Episode 20 - Frequency, Vibration & Consciousness
In this episode Nate & Esha talk about the different frequency's of consciousness and how moving through the scale can effect our lives in different ways. They discuss the relationship of frequency and vibration with manifestation and seeking the highest version of ourselves. This is an interesting one!
Levels of Consciousness:
https://www.nondualitylife.com/levels-of-consciousness
Consciousness Scale:
https://life-longlearner.com/how-to-measure-consciousness-using-the-map-of-consciousness-3-of-7/
Hey guys, welcome to episode 20 of the Holy Shit with Nate and Esha podcast. Uh man, 20 of them in the books.
SPEAKER_00:20. I can't even believe that we're at number 20. It's been amazing so far.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Man, um, well, I mean, it was as as we're sitting here looking at it, it's September the 20th, 23. And we started this back in January. So not only did 20 episodes go by quick, but this and this entire year has flown by. Um swiftly. But we're going to talk about today. I mean, so to there's we don't have a we don't have a guest today, and every once in a while, I think it's good that me, you know, Eshan and I just kind of you know reconvene and just chat about some things that were going on in our lives, and um, you know, not necessarily from a subject matter expert standpoint, but just kind of our opinions and and what we think about different things. So today we're gonna be talking about frequencies, um, you know, low vibe, high vibe, um, manifestation, attracting things, all of that kind of stuff. Um, but before we get into that, what's uh what's new with you?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, talking about shifting frequency. I mean, for me in my life, I'm going through a little change. You know, my niece has lived with me for the past eight years, and she just left to study in in London. Um, and so I don't have my wingman with me anymore. And so she's been my wingman for the last eight years and someone that I could really lean on, my ride or die. And um, yeah, I'm missing her, and the house is a little quiet, but it's a new journey for her and for me. Um, so I'm looking forward to it and uh and just leaning into a little bit of sadness that I'm feeling that she's not here as well.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, but at the same time, I mean, she's kind of spreading her wings, right?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. I mean, the sadness isn't like, oh my god, it's it's just that, you know, when someone is no longer here, you you miss them. I'm I'm so happy for her, like happy for her to start this chapter of her life where she can give more to herself and stop giving to others. So I'm super stoked and super excited. And for me, because even at 53, I'm still practicing like what this this sense of individuation for me, right? Because I've been I was married for 20 years and together for 24, and then he died, and then my niece was here. And so I'm I'm going through so many lessons in in my life, so of learning how to be uh perfectly fine with just myself.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, that's it, right? That's what we're all trying to do.
SPEAKER_00:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:I think I think that if we can do that, I mean there's nothing left to do.
SPEAKER_00:No, and it's it's you know, I'm actually really grateful for the practice and the experience of learning how to be in deep relationship with myself. I think before for me, because I've always had someone, there was always this deep sense of codependency that I didn't even realize until those persons are no longer there next to me, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And so I'm learning now how to give all these things to myself. Uh and it's really a different shift in um relating to me and relating to life from everything from me and being totally responsible for my emotional uh life. Um so yeah, you know, you can learn new things even as you age.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I think I think I I don't even think it's you can, I think you have to.
SPEAKER_00:You have to, yeah. It's imperative at this point.
SPEAKER_01:You have to, especially if you're on the on the road that we're all on about trying to become the best version of yourself every day, work on yourself every day, and eventually get off of this uh karmic wheel.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, the hamster wheel, the the the hamster karmic wheel. And you know, which brings us right into this topic that we're having, right? Which is is a space that I've been in these last couple of months. And it's interesting when you know that you're in a shift because even your language and how you speak start to change. And these last couple of months, I've been using the terms uh frequency, vibration uh uh a little bit more, even in in the classes that I teach or with my clients. And because I'm realizing as I do this work for my own self that it's it's the frequency that I hold that is gonna determine what I'm going to experience in my life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_00:And this was so true, you know, um, when I was in deep grief. Um, because in every moment I was creating, and we are creators, we have to understand that there's no outside force creating something happening to us. Everything is energy and vibration and frequency, and we emit those all the time, whether we realize it or not. And something is receiving it and coming back.
SPEAKER_01:Yes. Yeah, I mean, this this entire idea was introduced to me by Bill Wilder at your at the at the Wilder Wellness Center, the the week that I met you for the first time. I'd never even heard of the different levels of consciousness or the frequency. You know, I've always I've always heard, you know, you get out what you, you know, you get you get back what you put out there and about you know, different types of manifestation, the whole like think and grow rich you know, mindset from a like an entrepreneurial and self-improvement standpoint. But this but this scale of consciousness and the frequency and even and even like just the the aura that you're putting out there. Do you want to do you want to kind of give a a little bit of an overview for the folks listening as to what we're talking about on this this map of consciousness scale and kind of what it is?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And you know, I think a lot of people don't even realize because let's be honest, most people are just going about their daily lives trying to survive, right? Like most people don't have the time to like I wonder what level consciousness I'm I'm radiating at in this moment, but I do think as we move forward that it's imperative that we become responsible uh beings and knowing that in a particular state um that I'm holding, that that state also has a consequence to how my body is going to respond and how my experiences are also um going to be created in my life.
SPEAKER_01:So before you get into it, real quick, I don't want to cut you off, but I think there's a way here to to connect with people that maybe haven't seen this scale. Whether or not whether or not you know about frequencies or this map of consciousness, you know about them. Because here's why. Have you ever been around somebody and without them saying a word, they just feel either like a magnet pulling them towards you or like something, somebody that you want to run away from? Like, have you ever has anybody ever walked up behind you and you just automatically feel gross and you're like, oh my god, what's going on? And you turn around and like there's this person just emitting this, like everything in your gut and your heart says, run away from this person, right? Yes, or or there's just somebody that you come across uh in a crowd of people and it's like you've known them forever. Like there's that this this frequency, and um and then furthermore, we know we've talked about this before. We've talked about frequencies before without actually saying it, is like as you're going through that awakening, as you raise your level of consciousness about how old old relationships will crumble, old situations will crumble. And a lot of that has to do with the fact that you now have raised your frequency, and what you're emitting out there into the world is a much higher vibration than what it was before. This is also why friendships break down, because you it's very difficult for you to go back down to that lower vibration and be around the people that you were around before because it just doesn't feel good anymore.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. That's right. There's no longer an alignment there. And I'm so glad that you brought that up because these are everyday experiences that everyone has had an opportunity to experience, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and whether or not you could ever seen this scale before, you know what we're talking about.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. This is what we're talking about. So so this scale um is created by it's it's the levels of consciousness by uh David Hawkins, um, who was a physician and and a psychiatrist, too. So at the very bottom, I want you to think about it as uh uh an inverted triangle with the point, the tip uh pointing downward. And at the very bottom of that is shame. Shame is has a vibration of a 20. Right, um, right above it is guilt, which is 30, apathy, 50, grief is above apathy, fear, desire, anger. Sorry, so I'm gonna pause there for and pride. So between shame and pride, this is what's considered living in this 3D dimension. This is also what we can call hell or purgatory.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and for those of you that are that um have a chance, I'm gonna put a link to this scale in the notes so you can go and pull it up and look at it so you can understand the visual piece of this as she's talking through it. But go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect. Um, so it relates to hell purgatory or the lower ego self. Now, for those of you who've been really listening to us for a long time, you know we've talked about the chakras. And these from shame to to pride, this correlates to the first three chakras: the root, the sacral, and the solar plexus. Now, our work, when we are choosing to do our inner work, our work is to transcend those those three chakras, those three energy fields. Our work in this live in life, we do not have to wait till we're dead to go to heaven. We can have heaven right here.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So our work is to transcend this hell, this purgatory on this in this earth uh plane, and move up into fourth dimension, which is we begin to move into fourth dimension, our heart space, which is courage, neutrality, willingness, acceptance.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And so I want to pause at acceptance for a moment because this is what most of us have a very hard time with. Right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And personally, you know, I you know, I'm just like any other human being. When my husband died, I had a very hard time accepting his death. And as a result, there was a lot of deep suffering. But I had to go through the process, right? But jumping back down, uh, you and I were talking um before we got on about the importance of neutrality.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And how so many people think that neutrality is a bad thing, that neutrality is like, oh, I don't really care. That's not what neutrality is.
SPEAKER_01:It's not neutral, it's not an indifference, it's just it's a non-attachment.
SPEAKER_00:It's a non-attachment, that's correct. It's not taking sides because when we take sides, that's actually our ego at play.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right? Our egos, our preferences. Um, and that's what we're steeped in. And you think about a bag of tea that we steep in hot water, right? It's like it everything becomes murky in that space. Right. And so we want to move into when we come into neutrality, we know we're beginning to move into the heart space, and we're leaving these lower spaces, this third-dimension space, and we're moving up into um the in-between space.
SPEAKER_01:You know, and off to the right on the of this chart, and I'm just now I'm I'm looking at this chart and realizing it. I don't know if you saw this, but it's it talks about the category of the feelings and that first level that from shame to uh to pride, right? It talks about like basically you could just say like the almost it's like the mindset you're in at the time, and it's it's saying that it's the the victim or abuser conscious consciousness.
SPEAKER_04:That's right.
SPEAKER_01:So you're either the victim or you're the abuser, one of the two. There's some type of some type of you know affliction going on here, and that's and that's that's that emanates from you. I am being, you know, I am being victimized in some way, or I must victimize someone else, right?
SPEAKER_00:Right, or this is happening to me, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right, yes. You know, we talked about that before. Is that and that and honestly, that this is exactly what the shift is. So, right, so if you're in that mindset, it's the every this is happening to me. Woe is me. I can't catch a break. Stack the car, the world is stacked against me, all of that. And as you move into the second uh level here or the fourth dimension, where you talked about courage, neutrality, willingness, acceptment, acceptance, that is the self-empowerment stage. And that's when we shift that we shift that mindset to say, this is happening for me.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. 100%.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:100%. And this is where we want to get to, and this is where everyone who is going through um these awakening uh uh uh times, um, it's like moving out of the struggle, the heaviness, the weightiness of this lower half of this victim abuser consciousness, because we've all been there, you and I have been there.
SPEAKER_01:Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00:Right? So we're not saying that, oh my God, we are so bad. We have been there, we have fully experienced it.
SPEAKER_01:And in some days it creeps back, it'll come, it'll it'll come back and say, hey, you know?
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes. But what I want to say, and I'm glad that you mentioned that, what what happens is that as you give yourself permission to do this work, is that you build a muscle, and that muscle is the muscle of awareness, you become aware of what is happening inside of you, so you're able to notice and observe when you're going back into sort of that that victimized uh uh space of consciousness. Yeah, and you might go back there, but you don't stay long, right? Right, and so and then eventually you pull yourself out till you come to a point where you don't find yourself there often, and so you might even have you know x thought, but you've learned not to add any shame onto that, you've learned to just accept it, and this is why acceptance is so important and so crucial because it absolutely keeps your frequency at a higher state.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it's like a Ramdas talks about how it doesn't matter how evolved or ascended you get, your your brain is still your brain, your mind is still your mind. It's the fact that we things are gonna just crazy, psychotic, absolutely weird um things will come into your mind from time to time. Or it'll be it'll be a mindset that like you like that you used to deal with years ago all of a sudden, like something. And it's not it's not the fact that it happens, it's that are you gonna identify with that as you be in your mind and dwell on the fact, or are you gonna be the witness and say, huh? Damn, that's pretty interesting. Wonder what wonder let's let's unpack this really quick. I'm not gonna identify with it, I'm not gonna attach to it. I'm also not going to shame myself for feeling this way because I have backtracked or in some way. It's not that's not it. It's just, damn, I'm observing this happen and I'm okay. Let's just move past it and move on, you know.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. And that's the beauty of it, right? It's like this becomes like healing then becomes fun. It's no longer a heavy, you know, a heavy thing. It's like, oh yeah, this just popped up. Oh what is coming in for me to learn, right? Like I do this, play this game with myself all the time now. When I see my ego come in, I'm like, oh yeah, I just noticed that. But there's no shame, there's no heaviness. I'm not feeling bad about myself, right? And then I'll ask myself the question, I was like, which part of me is feeling this way?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And and is this actually true? Is this true?
SPEAKER_01:It's it's an and we talk about this all the time. We talk about that non-attachment, it's that non-attachment isn't just to the external things, it's the non-attachment to the internal things as well.
SPEAKER_00:Mostly, and this is this is you know, we are quick to jump and to want to fixate on the external things, but it's actually the internal things that where we're stuck.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. That's that's the piece that you know, if if you can turn uh the light around uh towards yourself and actually do that piece, that inner work. The inner work is the it's it's most crucial. Um, so let's go on. So uh acceptance, which is a 350 um level of consciousness, right? Um, you're in your heart space, it's self-empowerment, um, you're in the in-between, so you've stepped out of purgatory.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And this is also the rational, leaner, linear, emotional self. Now, things start to get really sweet after we move above acceptance. Now we're going, we're beginning to vibrate a little bit higher, we're moving into inner light, we're beginning to move into inner wisdom, inner love, oneness. This is where we come into self-realization. This is um where we move into our higher self. And you know, I know you love Ram Das. This is where I would say that Ram Das has moved into this because right. Um, and this is hard, right? So let's just pause here for a moment because what's above self-realization and oneness, uh, those are for some very special people. So I think this is probably, I mean, and just for people who want to know what's above that, um, presence that's uh like an echartoli, um, non-duality, um, awareness, the great void, divine grace and love union, supra causal truth, full consciousness, right? Now you're talking about.
SPEAKER_01:A thousand is like Jesus, Jesus, Buddha, exactly. Right, yeah. I mean, um and there are probably there, there are probably a very small handful of people of humans who have ever gotten above 800 on on this claim. You know what I mean? Um it would be very uh and if they have, they are considered some some spearheads of some different religions and different things because of that, right? That's right. So I mean, I I think it's um you know, I think it's very, it's very um unlikely is not the right term, but like it's it's very difficult to reach that level of a w of of of I guess in you know frequency um in one lifetime.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I mean look, most of us can't even get past uh uh anger, right? Like most of us are stuck in shame and guilt, which is the two lowest consciousness that we can abide in.
SPEAKER_01:I wanna I wanna ask you a question because I I have this so funny that this is you brought this topic today to talk about. And I've had this screenshot on my phone of the scale for like a month, and I've been I've been like really like wondering and that's like analyzing like where where and once again, I'm not putting any labels on it, not attached to anything, right? But just out of curiosity, I'm just saying, you know, where where where where where are you? Where am I? Like where am I? Where do you think you where do you think you fall in this?
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, it's interesting because I just before coming on uh to do this podcast with you, I made a video, uh a social video on acceptance. Okay, right, because this is where I'm at with myself right now. This is my daily practice of how I can fall into or rise into radical acceptance of what is. And so since Hassel died, I've had to, and you know, granted, I've been doing the work before he died, but the work deepened after he died because it was able to sort of open everything that I hadn't seen. And it's like all of these things came marching out, and I had no choice but to deal with all the shames of my life, all the guilts of my life, the things that I was very fearful of, um, to to hold grief, but to see grief differently and and to elevate it, to actually come face to face with anger, which was always something so difficult for me.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's not that these things um, you know, uh anger still doesn't exist in me. It it does, but it doesn't it doesn't have a sticky residue as it normally uh did before.
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Um so I would say, you know, I'm working up into fourth dimension.
SPEAKER_01:I I agree with that. And I I think I'm probably a couple like a couple steps behind you. I'm I think I'm moving out of willingness myself. Um willingness up into acceptance. And so so like out there's two scales. So there's the there's the inverted triangle that we've been talking about right this second, and then there's another one that's also created by David Hawkins um or Hawkins, that is it talks more about your emotional state in each stage, the view of life, the God view, and the process. And and and I and I think it might be easier to identify with maybe where you're at on this scale or what or as you transition into one or the other. And keep in mind, let me also just say this this is not a contest, it's not like someone's better than the other. Like it, it's we all are gonna go through all of these phases throughout the different our different lives and and and um incarnations. So it's not like it's not like I I love how um you know Ram Doss looks at it and he was like, you know, look at people like trees. Like there's no every it just is everything. There isn't no version that's good or bad or better than the other. There's just some that have been around longer and some that haven't. It's there is no there's no scale, there's no winning or losing, you know? No, um it just it just is. But um so the on on the on the on the map of consciousness scale, so she's talking about moving into acceptance. So it goes from neutrality to willingness to acceptance, and and right there at the willingness phase is it says the predominant predominant emotional state is optimism. Your view of life is hopeful, yes, your God view is inspiring, yes, and your and your process is intentioned. Yes, and I feel like that that right there has been where I've been for the last probably year, and I feel myself from uncertain days popping up, and I sometimes I feel myself popping down. So you know, uh moving moving up a little bit into acceptance, it says, and this is where I'm I think what you were talking about there, the predominant emotional state, which I think you're closer to acceptance than you give your credits yourself credit for, but um, and maybe even maybe even well you're I think maybe you're even in on end to acceptance and and moving through that. But the point is is that predominant predominant predominant emotional state is forgiveness. So you talked about dealing with grief and all of that other stuff. I mean, I think that that is grief is at its core is feeling um shorted, slided to some degree, right? Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's it's separation at its at its highest level. You feel separated from the whole, you don't feel connected, period.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So the the predominant emotional state is forgiveness. The view of life is harmonious, yeah. The God view is merciful. Yes, yes, and the process is transcendence. Yeah, yeah, and and and just to give go ahead.
SPEAKER_00:No, no, no, no, finish, finish.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, and just and just to give some contrast, like we're we're talking about uh some you know, some levels on the way up. If you were to if you were to do the complete bottom of the scale where you were starting with shame, um the predominant emotional state is humiliation. Yes, the the view of life is miserable, the God view is despising, yes, hatred, and the process is elimination. So you can just feel like as you read those words and look at those and talk about those emotions, you feel it, you feel that. Um and as you move up the scale, and then just to give some contrast, because I want to make sure from shame all the way up to on this other scale is enlightenment. Okay, between 700 and 1000 is enlightenment, and the predominant emotional state, and that's kind of the goal, what's that we're all here to do, right? Um that's it, is the predominant emotional state is ineffable.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and who uses that word hardly, right?
SPEAKER_01:The the view of life, get this the view of life. I'm gonna use a it's gonna sound weird. The view of life is is, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It just is, it just is right, which brings us back to acceptance. Like, if we can get to acceptance, right, right, it is what it like in this moment. What what is in this moment? What is around me in this moment? What am I feeling in this moment? Oh, is yes, it just is. Can I accept it? Just is, right? There's no there's nothing like some someone pulling a string. I think we we tend to think that there's a god up there and we're puppets and their strings are being pulled. When in actuality, it's our frequency, our vibration that's doing the pulling.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And so, you know, you know, and as I look at this chart, I mean I've had moments where I've gone into inner light, where I've experienced inner wisdom. Yeah, particularly this year since the Kundalini stuff, like I've had a lot of experiences where I have tapped into that and I have felt that. And I could feel my whole body tingling as I feel the connection with everything, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Um, so I've had those experiences and I know that actually exist. And then because I am living in a 3D reality, I still have to be a part of this world. And it's like coming down the mountain. It's like, okay. Um, but this is the work that we're here to do, and it is absolutely impossible for us to ascend in this way. Yes, we just have to choose. We have to choose who our master is. Is it our ego or is it gonna be love?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, service to others or service to self.
SPEAKER_00:Service right, exactly. Service to others or service to self. And we have to be willing to surrender, you know. The thing with the ego is I, you know, I've gotten to the point of developing a funny relationship with my ego where I actually don't take my ego seriously anymore. Yeah, and um and so where that's concerned is like my ego loves to have preferences. Right? It lives on that type of stuff. Um, and so a huge part of my practice is can I move beyond my preferences? And it's uncomfortable, right? Because it's like, oh, I'm kind of steeped in this. This is what I like, this is what I don't like. I'm always gonna gravitate to the things that I like versus the thing that's things that I don't like. But the the um Michael Singer has a great book that I think if you're curious about what surrender and means, read his book. It's called The Surrender Experiment. And he's the uh The man who wrote the book The Untethered Soul, which is another great book.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:But the surrender experiment, as he was going through his awakening journeys in the 70s, he kind of laid it out like he did this experiment with himself. What if I choose, what if I chose to surrender the things that my preferences? When something shows up within me, or I'm asked to do something, what would happen if I surrendered to that and see how things are orchestrated? And what ended up happening for him was a series of synchronicities that he himself could not even imagine or believed.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. Well, that the that surrender is getting more into that view of is.
SPEAKER_04:Yes.
SPEAKER_01:And trust. Because you're not you're not attached to having to have control. You're not attached to having it to come out to your way. It just is, you know, and you're like you're and you're ineffable about it, right? Uh hey, really quick, let's move on through the other two really quick, because I think this this next one is big. So, like on the scale of enlightenment, the God view self. Yes. Yes. So for context, it doesn't mean that you think that you are God. Right. It means that you think that God is in you. You are a piece of God. That we all are pieces of God. That collectively, the universe, the trees, the air, the water, the birds, my soul, your soul, everything is God. Everything is God.
SPEAKER_00:Everything. And this is what so many people have problems with because the world has created a construct of division.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And separation. Right? Even religion. Let's call it what it is. I mean, you know, we're not gonna call it what it is. You know, you have so many religions that say, oh no, this is my God, this is your God. My God is different from your God. And so, or or better, or I can't accept this individual into my congregation because this goes against God. Well, if we understand that all beings are part of the same energy, how is that person not accepted? And so, you know, you you begin things begin to get a little wobbly once you begin to look at things in a different way and to release this identification of this God that we think we grew up with that we know, but that sounds very human. That is a God that is wrathful.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And here's the here's the beautiful thing about this is that no, you're never gonna have to, you're never going to have to unwillingly accept any of this. As you move up through these, these these scales, it just happens. Like, like old relationships fall apart, old constructs and opinions and perspectives that you had of the world fall apart. There is no fight. No, none at all. There's no fight. So if you would have, if if you would have asked me to have this conversation with you 10 years ago, and I would have had to say that the God view is self, I would have had a very hard time saying that. And that's fine. If you're there right now, that's okay. Everybody is moving through their own journey at their own time frame. That's right. But the point is, is that to me, as you move through this and you get to this point, it's not even it's not even a fact that you have to realize anything at this point at the enlightenment stage. It just is, right? You just it it once again, it just goes. And I know I realize that as we're talking through this without some context, it's hard to kind of grasp this understanding. But the point is, is that like these individuals that reach this state, um, they're just they're as part of this universe and move in and out of this universe just like the wind, like air. They've reached this level of point of where they are no more themselves as that tree is a is a drop of water. They are no more, they are no more Esha than the um tornado and the raccoon. I don't know. I'm just throwing stuff out there. It is it is just everything is one, right? They've everything is one, yes, yes.
SPEAKER_00:And you know, and and and I'm glad that you're bringing this up because this is wherever you are as you listen to this, this is never uh an opportunity for shaming, right? It's just an opportunity for accepting and and an awareness of, oh, where am I? Like to be so radically honest with ourselves, right? Like, and sometimes it's hard to do that, right? Because, you know, we think that we're in a better place when in reality, and this is part of my my my checkup with myself, right? Um, and it's interesting because when I was going through PTSD, I had all of these violent uh thoughts. And what scared me the most about that, honestly, was I realized that I had an identification with being good. That I was this good person. And and it scared me because oh my god, if my identity of myself was this good person, and here I am having these these horrible thoughts about people that I love, I'm capable of not being good. Yeah, I'm c right, and so your attachment, your attachment to being good, right? I was attached to being good, and that was very scary for me because in that moment I realized I didn't realize I had an identification with being good, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right, and that's which, if I'm being honest with you, is a kind of a mind fuck. Complete mind fuck, it's like, wait a second, I thought that I'm trying to ascend into being more loving and like be one with the universe. And wait a second, it's okay if I'm not good, right? So it's it's kind of crazy. It it's kind of it's it's it's that non-duality aspect of it and understanding that there's just as much place for the dark as there is the light when you look at it at a from a comprehensive scale, you know, yes. Um, and it's not even it's not the fact that one is better than the other, it's the fact that you aren't judging yourself because one or the other.
SPEAKER_00:Right. That's correct. That's correct.
SPEAKER_01:And and and we could we could have another 10 podcasts specifically on non-duality and all of that, but um, as we're getting towards the end of this podcast, what else, what else do you have to say about um the consciousness scale and frequency and vibration to wrap this up?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I want to um, you know, because you just mentioned darkness and light, um, I was reading a friend's social today, um, and she had a quote here that says, A seed neither fears light nor darkness, but uses both to grow.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right. And uh, and I I think that's wonderful. I I think where where I want to my part in words is don't be afraid to go into unknown spaces with yourself. You know, I think part of what we're here to do is to not we can only grow if we don't stay in safety. Right? And Rumi has this quote that says, forget safety, live where you fear to live, destroy your reputation, be notorious. And you know, for me, how that looked like is to challenge myself along the way, challenge my ego along the way, challenge my perceptions along the way, um, challenge my pro my familial uh ancestral programmings along, challenge society's programmings of me along the way. Um, and as I keep doing that, I'm breaking down the parts that are not really me.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And and I think if we can give ourselves permission to be curious about this question, like just ask yourself, do some self-inquiry, ask yourself, who am I? And just stay there. You know, most people will rattle off, well, I'm a teacher, I'm a doctor, I'm a this, I'm a mother. That's not who you are. Right. You're you're giving me roles.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_00:So that's that's where I would say be curious, stay, stay in the land of curiosity with all of this.
SPEAKER_01:What are what are your thoughts on on when you're feeling lower than you should, and from a frequency of vibration scale about some some practices to help kind of check, shock the system and and go and say, let me let me read you some things. And I don't know whether this is in context or if this aligns or not, but I know, and this may be for more like managing your own mindset, which of course, if you can get through that, will help your frequency and your vibration to not get stuck in your mind. Right. I saw somebody talking about this the other day, and I thought, you know, that is it's very hard for me. Let's just let's just talk in the sense of like, well, you're not you don't have the job you want, or the right the girlfriend that you're looking for, or you're not happy in your marriage, or you're not making the money you want to make, or like whatever. And I saw this guy talking about this the other day, and I thought, damn, I think that's pretty good. He said, imagine, and once again, with no attachment to money or whatever, it's just the point of having trying to shift this frequency. Imagine that you have already attained, and let's just let's just assume that you're you're hard up for money or something like that. That you know, you won the lottery and you and you've given you have this million-dollar check and you've taken it to the bank, and they're like, hey, congratulations. It's gonna probably taste like take like 10 business days for this thing to clear. It's a large amount of money. Right. How would you live your life differently if that money isn't in your bank account, but you just know it's coming? Right. It it doesn't, it's not yours yet. You just know it's coming. Like, how would how would that shift? How would you live, how would you live your day, like day-to-day life differently?
SPEAKER_00:Oh Matt, I mean, my confidence level, my spine will straighten. I'm gonna walk with a with a bounce in my step. I'm gonna have a smile. Things are not, I'm not gonna worry about things as much because I'm like, oh, I know something good is coming to me.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And this isn't like a scream affirmations in the mirror at yourself type concession. I'm just saying that like there's a vibrational shift when you're able to live that level. Because what you're doing is you're letting all of that low vibration shit let you're letting go of it because you're like, okay, I've got something. But you know what? The cool thing about our brains is it doesn't know true, it doesn't know reality from a vision. Is so, you know, we have a lot of work to do on internally while we're working on ourselves and releasing some stuff. But I think that we can use these practices sometimes to help maybe move some weight from us on a day-to-day basis and also help help us be at a higher vibration. And that's just the assumption that we already have that, the assumption that it's already there. Um whether or not it seems crazy to you or not. Because here's the thing we don't have a problem. Anxiety is us already assuming that something bad's gonna happen. That's right. We don't have a problem with that. We don't have a problem thinking, oh, well, that's likely to happen because of this. And I realize we can get into probability and whatever. But the point is that your body's going through an emotional state for something that may or may not happen already. So why not just why not just flip it? Yeah, exactly. Because you know, there's no amount of war, there's no amount of worrying about it that's gonna that's gonna make something not happen. That's right. There, there there is there is possibly a chance that not worrying about something and living at a higher privation could prevent it. That's right.
SPEAKER_00:No, I mean you're you're you're spot on with that, and and what you're telling what you're talking about is is manifestation, right? And because we are all creators and we're manifesting the life that we're living in every moment. And I think there are many, and and and I was certainly in that space too, where we don't we don't make that connection that wait a minute, I'm actually creating this life that I'm living by the way that I'm you know, so part of you know, before we got on, we were talking about this, and the question that I want to pose to our listeners is to really connect to what is your foundation, what foundation are you living from?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Really do some some some quiet time, some inner work, some reflection, and ask yourself, what is the foundation that I'm actually creating my life from?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Is it is it fear, is it doubt, is it worry, is it anxiety, is it shame, is it guilt? Like, what's my foundation? And if I'm trying to create from those places of low frequency or low or lower consciousness, uh, no wonder I'm having sort of some of these experiences.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And it's not to make yourself feel bad, it's just awareness of of where we're at, and and then to go even further. Well, you know, what has caused me to feel this? And maybe you seek out a therapist or uh a spiritual guide or whoever that can get to assist you, but because I know I couldn't have done it by myself.
SPEAKER_01:Sure. You know, there's one more I want to add to this before we go. And it's um, you know, non-attachment's a big thing, but I think sometimes being able to separate yourself from the stories we tell ourselves every single day, which is that non-attachment to the self, but um is perspective. You know, we always look at it through somebody else's lens and we think, oh, they've got it easier than us, or like whatever. But I saw this post the other day, and it like I had to read it like five times, and I was like, damn, that is pretty profound. Um, and it said something to the effect, um, and I'm gonna butcher this, but just bear with me. It said, you know, I'm 40 years old. And I can't I can't wake up tomorrow and be 18 again. And and and wish that I had the perspective of an 18-year-old getting ready able to live this life right now.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But he said, I can pretend that I'm 90 and that I got to wake up this morning as a 40-year-old and live the next and and live the next 50 years of my life or whatever, with with with that, with that perspective.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_01:You know, and I thought, man, that is that is pretty cool. That that's a that's a very cool, that's a very cool way to shift the perspective. It's similar, similar to the the things I've heard people say is that like if you're a parent and you've got kids, and it could be any situation, but where they're just driving you batshit crazy, right? Yeah, and you're in the moment and you're stressed out or whatever, and you think when I'm 85 years old, what I wouldn't pay to be able to travel back to this moment and have it again.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So it's just when we get into these low vibrational moods and these things that are pulling us down, just try some of these mind-shifting techniques to help kind of break us and say, shock our system and say, Hey, wake up. This is happening for us, not to us. Right, let's keep moving on, you know. So, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:No, and and and that's really good because I think like perspective is everything. And it's one of the reasons why sometimes I do death meditations with um some of my clients, because I I want them to see like if you can visualize yourself in a coffin and you're dead, and you're able to look at this version of yourself where you you're you're no longer physically alive, right? Things get really real because then you begin to look at, oh my god, I didn't get a chance to do this, I regret not doing that. I right, you know, and and this is the power of sitting with with death, even just in a contemplative way, like because death asks the question, how are you living? Right. So, you know, part of what we want to do when we get to that deathbed is that we can drop the mic and know that we've we've completed it in a way that um we've always wanted to. That there's nothing left to hold on to, there's no fear because we didn't do X, Y, and Z or whatever it is. It's like we know that we're ready to go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Um and so I'll I'll end with this quote from Lao Zhou. Um, once you correct your mind, the rest of your life will fall into place.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:That's that's it. That's that's because if you think about it, there's nothing, there's not anything that anyone can ever do to us. Um it's all about how we view it.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We're the we're we are we we create our own reality every single day.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. It's uh we have to, you know, whatever we're gazing out of, whatever that that viewpoint is, or you know, um wipe it once in a while. Yeah, it might be it might be smudged.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I guarantee it's smudged.
SPEAKER_00:Get some clarity.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, if you're living on planet Earth 2023, clear it up, it's fucking smudged from time to time.
SPEAKER_00:Right, right, right, exactly. And you know, again, and and awareness is your is your uh windex, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:True.
SPEAKER_00:You're you're spraying awareness on onto all of the surfaces.
SPEAKER_01:I like that. Awareness is your windex, yeah. Well, let's end on that. You got anything else? I I'm complete, sir. Okay, good. Me too. Well, guys, this is the end of episode 20. I hope you uh liked our perspective on vibration, frequency, and manifestation. We'll catch you another one. We got some great guests coming up over the next couple ones. So check back with us in a couple weeks. Got some really good things coming on. Uh, you want to say anything about our next guest that's coming on really quick?
SPEAKER_00:Well, I was gonna say, you know, we're gonna if you guys really like this content today. Our our next guest uh on our show is is uh his name is Jason Gregory, and he is a uh spirituality teacher, um, Eastern spirituality. And let me tell you, this man is amazing. And just tune in and and listen to what he has to share.
SPEAKER_01:Awesome. Yeah, okay, guys. Have a great one. We'll talk to you later. See ya.