Holy Shit!! With Nate & Esha
A beginners guide to spiritual awakening, the metaphysical, unconditional love and all things "whoo whoo". Told from the perspective an average dude and a majestic shaman. ;)
Holy Shit!! With Nate & Esha
Episode 22 - Stillness, Stress & Self- Inquiry
In Episode 22, our hosts discuss the power of making time for stillness and the power of stillness as it pertains to our spiritual and personal growth journeys as well as just dealing with the stressors of every day life. They also dive in to practices of self inquiry and how shifting your perspectives can sometimes give you great insight!
Hey everybody, welcome to episode 22 of the Holy Shit with Nate and Esha podcast. Uh, just me and Esha today, and uh we're gonna just chat. I don't really know we're gonna have a specific topic, but uh the topic will intuitively come out of this discussion, I guess. And you'll see it in the show notes. So there'll be some direction as you're reading it right now. But uh, we're just gonna chat. Um, how are you doing?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, like I was saying and before we got on, you know, I'm a little bit tired. Um I'm I'm zapped from the first 10 months of the year from giving. And so I am looking forward to um pausing on that and uh and giving to myself. So I'm gonna be retreating to the south of France for uh a Mary Magdalene uh little pilgrimage. Um, so I'm looking forward to uh taking a little break from everything.
SPEAKER_01:That sounds awesome.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. It's like I I think sometimes we don't realize that we're so knee deep in doing and giving that you know you you start to feel a sense of burnout and exhaustion. Yeah, that's a cue that your body is saying you need to pause.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, take it.
SPEAKER_01:I just saw a I just saw a um, you know, I I think you and I have talked about this before. I just saw a um Matthew McConaughey, um, and you think what you will about him, but that that dude is, I think he's a modern-day philosopher. Um and um Lincoln commercials aside, um, his book Green Lights is amazing, and he just came out with a um another book um called uh just because and it's a kids' book. Oh, nice, and it's it's so good. Um he was on uh Jimmy Fallon the other night, and it's kind of got like a a rhythmic cadence to it, almost like it could be a song. So they so they done they done a song, and um, and I think one of the lines he said was just because I'm still doesn't mean that I'm not busy or that I'm not or that I'm not working.
SPEAKER_00:Right, exactly.
SPEAKER_01:And and that is what you're doing. You're going to be still, but the work is still continuing on yourself.
SPEAKER_00:That's right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And I think we forget that. We we we feel like we feel like in the US that if we're not constantly doing going, people if people can't see us producing in some way, then we are being lazy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and that's such an excellent point, right? Because um we forget that producing, you know, we just correlate that with the job that we do, but we don't realize that this self-work that we're doing our on ourselves is equally, if not more, so important. And that actually is always at the bottom of our list. Um it really should be the first thing on the list um rather than the last thing.
SPEAKER_01:So it's that qualitative work that really influences the whole gamut. And if you're if you're big on personal improvement or performance or production or success or whatever, that qualitative, introspective rest and still time, I think is just as important as the reps and the knowledge and the doing, you know. Um, and if you're looking at it just from a spiritual and kind of peaceful uh growth perspective, it's even more important.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, oh, I mean, I you you know, you can't say enough about that. Um, because I think what we don't get is that we're constantly taken in so much that we don't create spaces where a pause can come in to integrate all of these things that were actually taken in.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:You know, so you know, we have to be you we have to do it.
SPEAKER_01:We have to be intentional. Like we don't we when you say we don't create, it's not that we just choose not to, we just we just we program we're programmed not to. There is a screen in front of our faces right 75% of the day, whether it be a laptop or a television or a phone or an iPad or something. Um, and you know, and then and then when we're not doing that, we feel we we feel um like we're missing out or we're we're we're delaying something to getting around to something if we're not doing that. So it's it's it's it's it's constant. And like um, I don't I remember who it was talking about. I I don't I hate to go going back to this, but it might have even been it might have even been McConaughey the other night talking about it. He was saying, and I agree with it. I mean it's not like a it's not an original thought that he came up with. He just he just articulates things so well sometimes, and he said, you know, we we've ancient humans and even up into the last let's say 50 years, 30 years, 10 years specifically, you can go back. There were there were unintentional moments of stillness throughout the day or the week that we had that we didn't really realize we needed until we they're gone. Right. You know, that getting up and having a cup of coffee in the morning, or just sitting on the porch with no screen or no no no drive or no guilt about checking your emails or looking at your calendar to figure out what's going on, and just sitting there for 30 minutes and literally literally just being still. Um where that was something that used to be just an average Tuesday morning in 1985, right? Is now something that you have to intentionally carve out of your day.
SPEAKER_00:You've got to schedule your stillness time, right? Yeah, I mean, we've had so much sort of ingrained and conditioned and program. You know, the world has done a magnificent job in making us little robots. And you know, we talk about AI as like, yeah, but we're the machines.
SPEAKER_01:Oh yeah, right. Um so it's the number one commodity, the number one commodity right now is our is our attention.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_01:It used to it used to be some type of other you know, mineral or resource or whatever, but now it's uh it's attention.
SPEAKER_00:Um isn't that interesting? Yeah, how that's flipped. Right. Right, how that's flipped, and and and and we, you know, and we're so good at drinking the Kool-Aid. You know, like I was thinking about this the other day, you know, how you know, and I and I do think it's changing, yes, but how we just so how we go along with things so easily without even pausing to question, like, wait a minute, why why am I actually doing this?
SPEAKER_01:Well, you know, I you know, I don't know the exact date it started, but I I would imagine that you know, sometime after the Great Depression and after we started to fix the economy and things started booming and the industrial age. You think about the the the introduction of the television into the home and then news. And then we just we just we we became and I we became unintentionally lazy. Yeah. And and and and when I say unintentionally, I mean from the participants' perspective. I do think that there was some intent uh there behind the people that are pulling the strings, but the idea to make us fat, happy, and entertained is in full effect right now. You know, you fast forward, you know, almost a hundred years from that, and we are as long as we have our Netflix, our iPhones, and DoorDash, um we really we're not gonna put up much of a fight.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, because things are easy and comfortable, and we like our comfort, we love our comforts.
SPEAKER_01:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:Why would I want to do anything other than have my needs cater to me? But is that really living? That's the question we have to ask ourselves, right? Is this really living?
SPEAKER_01:I don't think so. I mean, I I I I I sit and I think about what it must have been like to be some type of business owner or entrepreneur or even employee in like 1965, and think about the freedom that you would have on a Friday going home, knowing that it was highly unlikely that you were gonna get a phone call from anybody over the weekend to do anything. And and and and not only that, not only that, but it like it wasn't an expectation for you to be checking anything.
SPEAKER_00:Dude, look, I didn't have I didn't get a mobile phone until oh god, like when I lived in New York uh in the 90s, I didn't have a mobile phone, I didn't even have a pager.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I don't think I got a mobile phone until maybe 30, which was the year 2000, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right. I think that's that was probably about that would that would have been my that would have been my sophomore year of high school.
SPEAKER_00:So that was about yeah, so yeah. So sometime in the in the thousands, in the 2000s, and and sometimes I look back and I'm like, yeah, I remember when I would take the bus and train and there was no phones. And what did I have instead? A book. I'd be reading a book and quite content, and no one could reach me. If if there was someone that needed to reach me, I would wait until I get to the office and someone would call me at my office.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, and it's not even not even that, but just our expectations of others as well. Yes, how and how how much more accommodating and graceful and understanding I'm sure we were with people's lives to say, hey, I know I called you on a Tuesday and you didn't happen to get back to me with the thing until the following Wednesday. It's cool. But that's that was the speed with which we lived at, you know, right. And if you go back and look, among other things, it's not one of the only factors, but I do think this is a huge, huge thing, is that you look at overall like you know, happiness levels and satisfaction levels and complete families and just general all overall well-being, and I think that that's a lot. We we we we always felt like I think that like and this is a pretty general statement, I realize that, but like that we'll get there when we can. And like, you know what I mean? Like, we're doing the best we can, and that's and that's an and that's enough. Where now it feels like the best that we can do is the bare minimum.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's you know, and at the same time as we're saying this, you know, I'm also so excited because I know a lot of this is also shifting that people are waking up and are asking the questions. And um but yeah, again, I I I keep circling back to the most important thing that any of us can do is to really be in self-inquiry, self-investigation. That is so important. And it's one of the things that I currently live by um because I have to keep challenging my own perceptions and my own preferences, and ask myself if my mind comes up with some ridiculous thought. It's like, wait a minute, is is this true?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, you know, and most of the time it's not. It's it's coming from either a place of a past experience, uh a past uh uh trauma response. Um, but to pause and ask myself that question, is this true? brings me back to the present moment. So I don't keep wobbling down that rabbit hole um of the past or of that that trauma.
SPEAKER_01:That that tactic you just mentioned right there is like one of the most beneficial and effective, like and coping, coping isn't is uh not the right word when I'm talking um navigational tools.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, good words.
SPEAKER_01:Um and um is to just calm down and ask yourself, is the story that I'm telling myself likely to happen? Or is it first of all, is it true? Right, right, is it true? You know, um, and then and then if you reverse engineer that back into the reasons why you think it could or could or could not be true, um, and then determine the likelihood that that thing is actually gonna happen, you'll usually figure out that you're worried about something that's probably a less than two or three percent chance of happening, and you're letting it consume 97% of your person and your mind.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, yeah. Been there, done that so many times in my life, right? Like, and I'm like, nah, I don't want to do that. How did that work out for me before, right?
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:State of a state of stress. And I'm like, hmm, I can choose, I have a choice as to how I want to feel. And so part of this navigation that I do with myself now is, you know, I can choose whether to be in stress and distress, or choose whether to be in calm or peace. These are my choices.
SPEAKER_01:How do you dive into that a little bit more? What do you what's what's your tactic on that? How do you do that?
SPEAKER_00:Well, you know, one is not to get so alarmed, like to have my inner alarm system going off when something is showing up in my perimeter that my mind or nervous system should say, oh, have a reaction to this. You know, the training that I've been doing this last year has been to watch everything, be the observer. Let me observe this that's going on, let me observe my body, let me observe my breath. And having that that space to just be the witness to see the external and the internal has really given me an opportunity to not respond so readily or not react so readily from my nervous system. And what it's doing, it's training my nervous system to wait.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Wait. Um, of course, if it's an emergency situation and you know, uh there's a tiger out there running after me, shit. Yeah, I'm not gonna hang out, right? I'm gonna run. But for most of us, we're not in danger, right? But we're acting as if we are in danger all the time.
SPEAKER_01:You know, this this came up with Jason, and if you guys haven't listened to our last episode with Jason Gregory, I highly recommend it. He is an amazing, amazing spiritual teacher and uh one of the the one of the most intelligent and and uh aware people that I uh probably on this planet. I mean, he's just he's just he's he's an unbelievable resource, but and so young. Yeah, yeah. And you know, we were talking the other day about this, and I didn't say it, but the thought came to my brain, and this is this is part of this, is that he in the West, and I think this is uh I'm I'm I'm I might be stealing this from Gary Scott Bishop. I think that's his name. He's a he's a uh Scottish um um, I think psychologist maybe, but he says that we are addicted to prediction.
SPEAKER_00:Ah, I love that.
SPEAKER_01:We are addicted to prediction. We are addicted to being able to predict that we are going to remain comfortable.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:We're attached. Yes to flip this around to the theme that we've talked about, we're attached to being to predicting the outcome and to controlling the outcome, to knowing I'm always gonna be safe and comfortable. Which you know, if we can get into a spot where we understand that the prediction isn't necessary. And and and furthermore, rarely does the prediction do anything other than just cause us anxiety. And furthermore, the anxiety around I I don't know anybody in this entire world in the history of time that anxiety has ever influenced the outcome of something that's gonna happen or not happen. You know, like you you you can't you can't worry something into not happening. Yeah, you know, um but um it it it goes back to that that and you know you were talking about the stress and and and the different things that you that you said there, but what you didn't say, but you were what you were talking about is how you remove yourself from the collective. Yes, or or or or or or actually that's wrong, that's wrongly put, you actually regain the collective. You remove the polarity and you get back to this one, you remove the polarity and saying, This is not me. Yes, I am not this person.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, I collapse that version of myself, right? That's that's that's exactly it. It's it's seeing, and and you chose the perfect word, it's the polarity, it's seeing the polarity in things, right? Um, and then once you see the polarity, then you can collapse it. It's like, oh, wait a minute, no, that's actually not real, right? And I and I I no longer need to take myself down this particular train.
SPEAKER_01:And and for those of you that aren't following us, what we're talking about here is the fact that we're saying that yes, she is a I am Nate, you are yourself, but at a greater, larger, comprehensive view, we're all one.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And depending on how you look at the circumstances, then the version of yourself that's here on this planet, incarnated as yourself, is really not the real you. Um, and and and furthermore, we could talk about it. The one of my favorite quotes, one of my favorite quotes is that is that whole one, and we talked about it about the guy talked about whenever he gets he where he gets stressed. And it was uh the same question. Uh, a guy was interviewing him, and he said, Well, how do you deal with stress and anxiety? And he says, he says, I pretend that I am um I'm the director of Batman. Do you remember this? When we talked about this, I'm the director of the movie Batman. And I just think about like Michael Keaton. I'm gonna use the Michael Keaton Batman because that's right, right. He's my favorite Batman. That Michael Keaton comes to me and he says, He says, Nate, man, look, um, I just don't know if I'm gonna be able to defeat the jerker joker today, man. He like I I've got all of these things going on. Um, and I I just I'm stressed out about it. Like, I don't know how I'm gonna do it. Like, I don't know if I can continue on, like I'm seriously worried about this.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:And you look at him and you say, This is a movie. Right. Right. You're not really Batman, bro. Right. I I want you you have to participate in the movie. Like we're paying you, like you're here you're you're here to do the job.
unknown:Right.
SPEAKER_01:But you're not really Batman. You know, you can't really, you're not really gonna die. You're not really gonna be hurt, you know, and um, and when you look at it from that way, I mean, really that's that's the perspective that we should look at this is to say, we gotta get, we gotta, we got the we got a job to do, we have a role to play, but understand that like those as as Ram Des says, the the space suit we're wearing or the Superman or the Batman suit that we're wearing is not the real us. Yeah. Um, and when you can separate yourself from that and realize that there is a collective here, and we are all part of that. And furthermore, the other piece of this is that when you shift it and you say, whatever's happening, whatever is happening at the moment, it's happening for me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:We talked about this before, and that there's some reason that this is happening. I am here right now on this planet to do a job, but the job is to be to grow, whether it be growing emotionally or expanding spiritually, or in some way ascending in some way to getting back to being one with God at all times, right? Um, that's assuming to say that we aren't already God, but the point is, is just for the sub of the the the conversation here, uh, not to have all the answers in the world on this one podcast. The point is we have we have a job to do, um, and understand that um whatever happens to us, if you take a step back and say, This is happening for me, what am I learning? How can I grow from this incident, right? I think it removes a lot of the stress and a lot of the anxiety around me.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and I think what's important, I I think you know what what you're saying is how can we rephrase? I think re learning how to rephrase how we say things is super important, right? So I'm constantly now with my clients when I hear them, because you know, part of any kind of therapy is really listening. Um, and when when I hear them say certain things, I'll I'll create a moment where we pause. And I'm like, I wonder how we can rephrase that or reframe that in a way in which it would be more usable friendly to your nervous system.
SPEAKER_01:Can you give us an example of what you're talking about?
SPEAKER_00:Well, let me see, um, something that came up. Um recently I had someone uh that came and and uh something was mentioned in terms of um uh well I I I always um this is always how things are and my and this was related to anxiety. Well, I'm always gonna be anxious, right? Right. And so creating a pause was like, okay, our nervous system, our bodies are less than 24-7. And so think about it as a computer system, right? Because which is what we are, we're a technology. Whatever we are computing, we're putting in data all the time. And that data is getting interpreted by the nervous system. Yeah, and then the nervous system now is going to create some sort of algorithm, an output that is going to create, which you're going to feel in your physical body. So if you're sending a message or you're speaking or thinking, oh, you know what, I'm always anxious. Your bodies compute and give let's give them more anxiety because this is what they're asking for.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And so the whole idea is to reframe how you say things to yourself so your nervous system can compute something that will bring your body back into harmony. You know, um, and so it is it's just awareness, right? Awareness of the present moment, what are what are we speaking in the present moment? What are we thinking? The thinking part is a little bit harder to catch sometimes because there's a gazillion thoughts racing through per minute. But when we slow down enough, and and we can all do it because slow down enough to catch our thoughts. When you're living in the present moment, you can know what you are thinking and you can catch them. You may not catch all of them, but the ones that you really want to catch, the ones that have a frequency that's actually an entity that's attached to you, that's bringing your vibration down, those are the ones that you want to. So frequency, like any give an example for our listeners, um, fear, shame, guilt, apathy, um, even grief, right? These all have low vibration, low frequency. And we did a podcast on this before. Um, they're just levels of consciousness. Um, but if we can shift and reframe to go back to what you were saying, um instead of saying, why is this happening to me? What if we just frame this? How is this grief working for me? What's changing? What is it highlighting inside of me? Then you're flipping grief on its head and making grief more of a transformational experience.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:And yes, that is hard. Is that hard to do? Yes. Can you most of us navigate that on our own like that? Maybe not. So it it creates, you know, uh, hopefully we have someone within our in our sphere that can help to guide us to uh practicing this.
SPEAKER_01:You know, this sounds very elementary, like something like literally like a kindergarten or a um a preschool teacher would tell a child, but sometimes it's good to get back to the basics. Um and that is that no one, no thing, no circumstance can make you feel anything. So every bit of stress and anxiety that you're experiencing right now is 100% in your control to stop.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly.
SPEAKER_01:No, no one is doing this to you. We have a hundred percent control of our own bodies and how we show up and how we respond. So, you know, if you think about that, it's a very empowering mindset to have to say, I'm not gonna allow you or this thing to have that type of control over me. Now, it might be unpleasant, it might be something you need to work through, but if you just shift your mindset into saying, that thing is not what's making me feel anxious, I'm making myself feel anxious. Yeah, I have 100% control over the anxiety. Now I might not have I might not have mastered the technique yet of controlling it, but the first step is realizing that I am the one causing it. So I can therefore, I'm also the one that can take it away.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. I had an experience I'll share a little vulnerable because it's a dream, you know. So I have all sorts of stuff that happens. Like when I'm when I go to bed, I never know what's gonna happen. It's like the most uh uh mysterious, fun, exciting, everything that happens. Uh but I had a dream, and and and I'm sharing this because I I want our listeners to to see that once you start practicing this kind of stuff in the waking hours, it actually also uh uh moves into transitions into your dream state. Yeah, um, because you realize that everyone in the dream is also you and how you show up in the dream becomes different.
SPEAKER_01:Everyone in your life is also you.
SPEAKER_00:Yes, right. And so, you know, I I had this um, I don't know if it was a dream or a vision. Sometimes they get blended, but I saw my my inner child, and uh, and there were hands like there was a person behind her, like holding her down on her shoulders, and it just felt like she she wasn't able to move, like she was stuck, like someone was holding her back. And as I saw that, and I'm like, oh my god, who's holding her back? Because usually in my dreams, like I'm I'm decapitating heads, like anyone that's like evil or whatever, like it's total destruction, right? Um but this particular dream I realized as I was about to go into like a demonic slayer state, something in me shifted in this one dream where I I pause and I'm like, no, a different, I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna offer whoever that individual is my love. I was like, oh, all I'm gonna do is offer you love. And then I realize that it was myself, it was me.
SPEAKER_01:It was yourself holding yourself bound.
SPEAKER_00:It was myself holding myself, and and in the dream there was just this flood of emotions and just this this releasing that happened when I had that intuitiveness to recognize that. So powerful.
SPEAKER_01:You know, that's that's a that's a unbelievably powerful tactic to deal with a whole lot of different things um when you're when you're feeling in some way about something else that you feel like is external from you, even though it really isn't. Um if you offer it love uh instead of trying to be in fear or coward to it or whatever, um there's something very empowering about that because I think it completely disarms whatever whatever the other thing is, whether it be another person, whether it be some type of thought process or whatever, if you just welcoming it, welcome it with love, um, it's very it's a very powerful tactic.
SPEAKER_00:You know, this reminds me when I was in Thailand in 2017, uh taking the course on the Tibetan Book of the Dead, and they were going through these various stages when you die, what you encounter when you die, these different Realms. I remember them talking about um when you cross over, you're going to encounter different things that might scare you.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:And your practice in your living life before you die is to recognize that everything is you. That if you started practicing this now, whenever you die and you cross over and you see something that scares you, whether it's loud noise or something that looks like a uh a monster demon, you will have the fortitude and insight to know I'm not afraid of that because that's just me. And it and it evaporates, it's no longer there. So this is our work, and this is one of the most challenging things to do because we have been raised with duality and programming and conditions, and people look you and I look uh different from each other. So you know the mind sometimes is like, well, how could we how could there only be the one? We you look different, we are different.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, right. So we're we're very we talked about this with Jason last week. We're very, we're very um um good at identifying how we're separate from each other, yeah. And we and and and we do that well, and of course this is here in the west, we're we're all about titles and and roles, and all of that, all that is is just a one additional layer of separatism. Oh or separate is that is that even a word separatism, separateness? I think I just created a new word.
SPEAKER_00:They're creating words every new words every day, so make it your new word.
SPEAKER_01:Um well, you know, and um, you know, I know this this this uh we we went into this podcast with not necessarily I think honestly, before this podcast, we thought we were gonna talk about something different, um, which we'll get around to talking about that topic maybe in another podcast, but um stillness, stress, and anxiety management and self-inquiry. I think that's um some good content we talked about today. I I I know that like we record these podcasts so our listeners can have some point of reference on these different topics, but I also get a lot out of them as we're talking too. It's like almost like a reminder for myself. And um, you know, as good I don't even want to use that term, as experienced as we think we are in dealing with these things, um there's always there's always days that happen that you're just like you might it might you we might as well have just forgot the lessons that we've been learning for you the last 15 years and for me the last three and a half, four. It's just it's just like we go back to being that 2002 version of ourselves in like the world where the eye is falling, and we have to take those deep breaths and do what you said and separate ourselves from the polarity and realize back who we are. And and and so so if you're listening to this and you're like, man, you know, I just that that that's all you know, this is not coming from we just read this book and we just got it. Like there's been this has been battle tested over oh yeah over over numerous years and self bat, you know, self-battles and self-wars and self-whatever that when you and and and and the idea and the concept being, you know, is you talked about this before, is that it's always about taking a step back and saying, What am I learning uh from this and being the witness from it and saying, Isn't that interesting? Isn't that interesting what that person is going through right now? Yeah, I wonder how this is gonna, I wonder how this is gonna pan out.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, to be curious. To to be curious, to walk with wonder. And I'm still a baby with, you know, like sometimes I I I am still a baby. I still this morning I had a lot of uh energetic waves that I was feeling, and I I had a little bit of fear and anxiety that came up um for me this morning. And I sat up in bed and I just breathed and I sat with my body and I allowed myself to feel the fear. Yeah, I didn't I didn't play into it and let my mind go down a rabbit hole, but I just sat and I felt it and then and then it was done. It was gone. But choosing not to be reactionary when I'm in fear, that's huge.
SPEAKER_01:But you know, doing that right there, like facing it, like is almost similar to like that when you say I'm gonna just experience this, it's similar to like just showing it love, right? You're you're recognizing it and saying, Okay, let's let's do this. You're here, I'm not gonna identify with you, but let's let's let's roll through this. Or you could pick and choose to say, oh man, I feel that at my that at my doorstep, and I'm just gonna ignore it all day, and I'm gonna let it slowly creep into me, and it's gonna be something that I'm gonna sit here and dance with for the next three weeks.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, and it's usually whenever I'm about to travel, and this is still some some healing points that I know that um I'm still going through from losing hassle so suddenly because he traveled and and he didn't make it home. So a lot of times when I do travel, uh there's some a little bit of anxiety that comes up initially for me to take a look at, whereas, oh, I'm traveling, I'm leaving my family. Am I gonna make it back home?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Right. So there's a little bit of that that that happens to me. And um, and it you it was much worse um uh initially, and I've gotten a lot better with it over these last six years. Um, but it does rear its head once in a while for me to take a look at and for for it to say, how how are you doing with this? Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah. But I recognize it for what it is. Um, it's just reminded me, um, hey, this is still kind of here. And but now I I don't I don't give into that um fear. I acknowledge it and I give myself permission to feel it, and then it's then it leaves.
SPEAKER_01:You know, before we wrap up, and and that's that that's that's massive. I I want to uh there's been something that I've started practicing the last let's say four or five months. Um, and it's really helped me big time. And and what what you're talking about and and the theme we've been talking about, most most stress and anxiety comes from the worrying or the fear of what could potentially happen in the future. And and what we really need to focus on is being more present in the moment, right? And shifting our shifting our in the present moment or our vibration or intentions to something more pleasant and more higher and more more true to our our higher selves or our passion, right? And that and that we're not gonna talk about that in detail at this at this podcast, but that can really influence the future, right? But one of the things that um that I really love, and and I think this is a uh a Joe Dispenza method, he talks about getting in, getting into the present, intentionally getting into the moment. Um I think you know one of the things he does is he he basically you know takes a couple deep breaths, closes his eyes, and really visualizes almost like energy coming from outside of your body back into yourself, into the moment, into the moment, into the present, and like be if you if you can do that, it's an amazing feeling. Because I mean, we we we have we have so much of our energy in other places than in ourselves, like there's so much of our attention and so much of our energy spread so thin. If you just pull all of that back in, and I think this is his tactic, you you know what we've we've listened to and read so many books and tact. It's like it's hard to recall who said what when. And sometimes it all just mash it messes in like some beautiful, like you know, abstract painting in my mind, but I can't remember who who threw what element in there. I think this is still a Dispenso tactic, but he um he talks about once you're in the moment to think about all of the things that are currently causing you stress or grief or anxiety or whatever, and put them in little boxes, little boxes above your head, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:And then to just imagine snipping the cord to each one of those things and just pushing them out of your awareness. Yeah, and if you can be in the moment present with those things gone, it it's that stillness to come back to the original point that we talked about that is a massive solution to a lot of what you're going through.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, no, I mean that is, and and I do believe that is a dispensa thing, and it's so true. And that's exactly what I did this morning. Like felt it, let it like I surrendered into it, and then I fell into like this deep space of just stillness, and what you were talking about energy, and all I could feel was energy rolling through my body, like my whole body just started to vibrate with energy, yeah. Um, because I had gone into, I probably went into some sort of theta state and didn't even realize it. Um but this is what you do, it's like give yourself permission not to run. Acceptance is so important, right? To accept where you're at and then allow yourself to just feel that, and then it just it transforms itself, it it it it it it dissolves, and then you're able to build a new energy field around yourself.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. In an instant.
SPEAKER_01:Right.
SPEAKER_00:One of the things I love doing is showing clients how they can shift their energy field in an instant.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:It doesn't have to take weeks or months or years.
SPEAKER_01:And you just said the biggest like you can do it. Just like you can are in control of all of your emotions and you're in control of your stress and anxiety. So um, all right. Well, I kind of enjoyed the way the direction that this this podcast took, even though it wasn't where we originally were going to take it. But um, anything else to add on stillness, stress, and anxiety, or just self-inquiry?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I would say be gentle with yourself, right? Like don't try to figure out, don't try to make this a perfect thing. Um, because that's more mine, mine. Uh can I person this podcast? Um it's it's it's more mindfuckery, right? So um don't try to be perfect at any of this because we're still in a human body, we're still living in a third-dimension uh space, even though some of us are moving up into fourth dimension, we're still having to apply these laws of nature here. Um, so it's not about perfection, um, but simply just do the practice. Yeah, don't judge it. Um, don't try to be perfect at it, just be with it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I mean, and and and to your point, like who said it's a bad thing to experience it? Who said who said it's a bad thing to struggle with getting out of it? That's it. Yeah, we we we we are arbitrarily labeling our own processing of emotions as a bad thing. Yep, you know, like get out of that, get out there, get out of the polarity, get out of the the good, the bad, get out of the he, the she, get out of the they. It's we're all it's all part of the experience. And if you really want to get honest with each other, we came here to experience this shit for a reason. Because when you are in a perfect state of bliss and higher understanding, there it's there, you're not experiencing change in emotions like we're experiencing here. So as painful as it seems it might be, as difficult as it seems it might be, we chose this to come here.
SPEAKER_00:This is PhD school, right? Like every human being should get a PhD degree because we chose the biggest, baddest planet to come to to upgrade.
SPEAKER_01:Right. And that's not to discredit your emotions, it's not to discredit the trauma or incidents that you've been through. Yes. Oh, that's just just learn. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that you should just learn from it and get over it. I'm not saying that. No, no. But if you're if you're really wanting to learn how to process that, digest that, step out away from that, and look at it from a different perspective, because perspective can change everything. And um, and that's that's the way that at least for me, it's helped me really try to understand um what goes on in my life or what's going on in the world around me, and how I can understand how does that play into the greater the greater picture.
SPEAKER_00:So yeah, and then one other small thing I would say, just stay open and curious. Yeah, you know, that's that's so important, you know. Don't give in to your preferences, you know, your likes, dislikes, because the those things really hold this back, and that's something that I, you know, I'm working on too. But you know, uh be more open, be flexible, be willing to see another point of view, and all of those things.
SPEAKER_01:I would argue that with the exception of your true passion, which is to me something that is ingrained in you from the time you come on this planet, uh, and it's and and and some would argue that your passion is your purpose, that your passion is the reason you're here. Okay. But other than that, everything else is programming, everything else is programming.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. And you know, we should have a podcast, uh, an episode on uh purpose, soul purpose, because I think so often, like I used to pull my hair out trying to feel like what why what I why am I here? And as a kid, all I ever wanted to be was a doctor, yeah. But life had different uh in a different way. I'm I'm a soul doctor, not in the way that I imagined that I would be.
SPEAKER_01:You wanted to heal people, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I wanted to heal people, and I'm doing that. You're doing it, but it was yeah, it's just not in the way that I in my mind envision.
SPEAKER_01:So it's sometimes that's sometimes that's a good thing.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I'm so happy it's that thing. Like I don't I am so happy I'm not uh an MD.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I am too, because we would have never met.
SPEAKER_00:No, we would not.
SPEAKER_01:So I'm thankful that you uh your childhood and dreams and ambitions did not come happy, did not come true.
SPEAKER_00:It it came true in other ways. It was like, you know, yeah, it came true in other ways, and for that I'm truly, truly grateful for. Yeah, but we should do an episode on that.
SPEAKER_01:I I I just wrote that down. We'll we'll have to add that to the to the to be disgust bucket. So all right, guys, with that, we're gonna wrap up episode 22 of the holy shit with Nate and Esha podcast. Thanks for listening, and we'll uh see you on the next one.
SPEAKER_00:Awesome, bye everyone.